YMCA of the USA Competitive Swimming and Diving Fo: 2008 NJ YMCA States in Pennsylvania

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Glenda Pae
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Topic: 2008 NJ YMCA States in Pennsylvania
Posted: Mar/24/2008 at 12:30pm

Hi Bob,

I will be meeting with Carole Bell and some of the coaches from N.J. . I would definetly like them to explain why They are going to Pa for a N.J. State Meet.

I was not informed about this change. This meet needs to be approve through myself and the East Field Committee. If you are at Nationals please introduce yourself to me . I really need your feed back.

Glenda Pae

Any questions please feel free to call me at 717-362-9494.
Yours in Swimming....
Glenda Pae

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8819chkc
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Posted: Mar/27/2008 at 12:34am

I am a coach from a NJ Y and I know that Glenda was informed of the venue in PA. The NJ Y States was held in PA because no NJ site was available for the sessions format that would benefit the swimmers. GCIT would only allow a Friday night and full Sat & Sun while, Princeton is not interested in hosting meets at that time and Rutgers is busy with NJ Swimming meets. There are not enough facilities in NJ to accomodate all of the swimmers in both Y and Club swimming. A reasonable drive to PA was investigated as the opportunity came about along with other venues outside of NJ. Most teams travel to South Jersey for GCIT and pay hotel and food and travel expenses, so it's really no different to travel to PA. Swimmers did get home late, but there really is no reason to miss school on Monday. I think and a lot of NJ teams think it was a great meet, great location, and a successful weekend. SVY did a wonderful job in hosting this meet and the meet results back that up!

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Posted: Feb/02/2009 at 7:41pm

New Member,

I was not informed of this move till after the fact for 2008/ My sanction form was not received till right before the meet. That is when I found out. .Are you aware that it is in Pa again for 2009. I am aware of this 2009 site.

Please don't throw my name around till you know your facts.

Glenda Pae

Any questions please feel free to call me at 717-362-9494.
Yours in Swimming....
Glenda Pae

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rhallapp
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Posted: Feb/02/2009 at 8:03pm

Glenda,

Just received your post responding to the 2008 Pa F&M location for NJ States. I think that some of the confusion is that neither parents - nor perhaps some coaches - understand the relationship between Y National and the local Y State committee, and - since this is the only forum for that communication - expect the Y Nationals to control the location of NJ States. If the sanctioning process only includes formal satisfaction of the requirements for a State Championship - and not its location - it would be helpful for that to be made clear.

In the absence of any other forum - NJYSwim.org has been down for months - concerned parents need to address their coaches or work through through their Parent's organizations, as hard as that might be. Though the latter are relatively powerless, and expressing dissatisfaction to the coach has its risks, they can at least express on a very local level the dissatifaction with the location of this meet. Perhaps planning ahead, for 2010, could result in a venue in-state that would be more acceptable. But that level of communication has to be stated explicitly. I think most of us expect the National to be exercising more control than it has.

I would note that at least this year swimmers will have warm-down facilities at F&M since most prelims except distance events are being run in 8 lanes, not 16 simultaneously. That, at least, is an improvement brought by splitting 12/u and 13/o venues.

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Posted: Feb/13/2009 at 6:47pm

I think you need to address this with your coach. This is not an East Field decision. These arrangements have been made by N.J. State Committee.

Address the issue with Carole Bell and Jack Crusino.

Glenda Pae

Any questions please feel free to call me at 717-362-9494.
Yours in Swimming....
Glenda Pae

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timermom
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Posted: Oct/04/2009 at 11:24pm

Hi All, can anyone tell me if NJ state meet will be at F & M again for the 2010 championships? Does anyone know how many more years we will be there? Thanks!

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Glenda Pae Moderator Group Moderator-Eligibility Joined: Apr/29/2006 Location: United States Posts: 186	Topic: 2008 NJ YMCA States in Pennsylvania Posted: Mar/24/2008 at 12:30pm
	Hi Bob, I will be meeting with Carole Bell and some of the coaches from N.J. . I would definetly like them to explain why They are going to Pa for a N.J. State Meet. I was not informed about this change. This meet needs to be approve through myself and the East Field Committee. If you are at Nationals please introduce yourself to me . I really need your feed back. Glenda Pae
	Any questions please feel free to call me at 717-362-9494. Yours in Swimming.... Glenda Pae

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8819chkc New Member Joined: Mar/22/2007 Posts: 2	Posted: Mar/27/2008 at 12:34am
	I am a coach from a NJ Y and I know that Glenda was informed of the venue in PA. The NJ Y States was held in PA because no NJ site was available for the sessions format that would benefit the swimmers. GCIT would only allow a Friday night and full Sat & Sun while, Princeton is not interested in hosting meets at that time and Rutgers is busy with NJ Swimming meets. There are not enough facilities in NJ to accomodate all of the swimmers in both Y and Club swimming. A reasonable drive to PA was investigated as the opportunity came about along with other venues outside of NJ. Most teams travel to South Jersey for GCIT and pay hotel and food and travel expenses, so it's really no different to travel to PA. Swimmers did get home late, but there really is no reason to miss school on Monday. I think and a lot of NJ teams think it was a great meet, great location, and a successful weekend. SVY did a wonderful job in hosting this meet and the meet results back that up!
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Glenda Pae Moderator Group Moderator-Eligibility Joined: Apr/29/2006 Location: United States Posts: 186	Posted: Feb/02/2009 at 7:41pm
	New Member, I was not informed of this move till after the fact for 2008/ My sanction form was not received till right before the meet. That is when I found out. .Are you aware that it is in Pa again for 2009. I am aware of this 2009 site. Please don't throw my name around till you know your facts. Glenda Pae
	Any questions please feel free to call me at 717-362-9494. Yours in Swimming.... Glenda Pae
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rhallapp Senior Member Joined: Feb/27/2007 Location: United States Posts: 44	Posted: Feb/02/2009 at 8:03pm
	Glenda, Just received your post responding to the 2008 Pa F&M location for NJ States. I think that some of the confusion is that neither parents - nor perhaps some coaches - understand the relationship between Y National and the local Y State committee, and - since this is the only forum for that communication - expect the Y Nationals to control the location of NJ States. If the sanctioning process only includes formal satisfaction of the requirements for a State Championship - and not its location - it would be helpful for that to be made clear. In the absence of any other forum - NJYSwim.org has been down for months - concerned parents need to address their coaches or work through through their Parent's organizations, as hard as that might be. Though the latter are relatively powerless, and expressing dissatisfaction to the coach has its risks, they can at least express on a very local level the dissatifaction with the location of this meet. Perhaps planning ahead, for 2010, could result in a venue in-state that would be more acceptable. But that level of communication has to be stated explicitly. I think most of us expect the National to be exercising more control than it has. I would note that at least this year swimmers will have warm-down facilities at F&M since most prelims except distance events are being run in 8 lanes, not 16 simultaneously. That, at least, is an improvement brought by splitting 12/u and 13/o venues.
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Glenda Pae Moderator Group Moderator-Eligibility Joined: Apr/29/2006 Location: United States Posts: 186	Posted: Feb/13/2009 at 6:47pm
	I think you need to address this with your coach. This is not an East Field decision. These arrangements have been made by N.J. State Committee. Address the issue with Carole Bell and Jack Crusino. Glenda Pae
	Any questions please feel free to call me at 717-362-9494. Yours in Swimming.... Glenda Pae
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timermom New Member Joined: Sep/15/2009 Posts: 2	Posted: Oct/04/2009 at 11:24pm
	Hi All, can anyone tell me if NJ state meet will be at F & M again for the 2010 championships? Does anyone know how many more years we will be there? Thanks!
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