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James Cornforth
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Quote James Cornforth Replybullet Topic: Breast stroke kick
    Posted: Sep/16/2007 at 9:47pm
USA Rule 102.2.3 notes "the feet must be turned outward during the propulsive part of the kick".

We have a swimmer with a pronounced pronation of the feet. During her breaststroke kick her feet do not turn out, however all of the propulsion is with the plantar surface of the feet. Unortodox, clearly no butterfly kick, nor sissors nor flutter. Perplexed about the DQ calls.

Anyone have a similar situation?
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Quote Ed Miller Replybullet Posted: Oct/01/2007 at 9:22pm
This is an interesting question.  The answer is that Rule 102.2.3 specifically requires that the feet be turned outward during the propulsive part of the kick.  Therefore, the swimmer should be disqualified.  I also discussed this question with the Chairman of the USA-S Rules and Regulations Committee and he agrees with this answer.
 
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Quote daolson Replybullet Posted: Jan/11/2011 at 3:19pm
The USA website added an extensive discussion of how to apply the rules for swimmers with disabilities.  The links are located off the page:
http://www.usaswimming.org/DesktopDefault.aspx?TabId=1509&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en
Look under Situations and Resolutions; the links are "Article 105 Case Studies...," and "Disability Swimmers."

In another thread, some poster linked to the old USA website, and I found the training resources there extremely helpful.  So one of the reasons I wanted to respond to this old thread was to put up a link to the new site.

FWIW, I think the original poster likely meant that the feet were in-turning.


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Quote Ed Miller Replybullet Posted: Jan/31/2011 at 9:05pm

Some additional information is needed to clarify D A Olson's post above.  After correspondence and a conversation with Jim Cornforth, we determined that the swimmer was not classified as a swimmer with a disability.  Rule 105 applies to swimmers so classified, and the coach has to demonstrate this to the referee.

Before I answered the original post, I also went to the dictionary and found that pronation means turning inward, the opposite of what the rule requires.  And plantar refers to the sole of the foot.
 
The bottom line is that unless she was classified as a swimmer with a disability, then the rule applies in its entirety.
 
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Quote daolson Replybullet Posted: Feb/01/2011 at 3:03pm
Ed, look at some images of pronation (e.g. google "pronation" and there is a link to a number of images).  It refers to the angle between the leg and foot, the inward "bend" at the ankle, as viewed from behind.   Pronation or supination, by themselves, should have little effect on whether someone is able to turn their toes outward during a breaststroke kick.

If someone had in-turning feet, "pidgeon-toed," , "in-toed," toes pointed inward as viewed from above, it might limit their ability to turn their toes outward during the kick.  It is possible that their range of motion might not be sufficient for them to move their toes outside their ankles.

I think that Case #3 - Michelle, with a range of motion issue, would be relevant, as would Case # 8 - Tom, who cannot physically perform a legal breaststroke kick.
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