Age up rule
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Topic: Age up rule
Posted By: James Cornforth
Subject: Age up rule
Date Posted: Apr/10/2007 at 8:14am
| Is the YMCA of USA changing the age up rule from Dec 1 to age on the 1st day of meet? |
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Posted By: Glenda Pae
Date Posted: Apr/18/2007 at 3:17pm
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For YMCA Records and yearly age group Top 16, the Dec 1 age-up date has been changed to the age of the swimmer on the first day of the meet.
The Age-Up date of Dec. 1st is not a YMCA policy. Therefore at the local level,each leaque,district/state could/can change their age-up date.
It has been determined that the following states WILL REMAIN WITH THE ORGINIAL CUT-OFF AGE-UP DATE OF DECEMBER 1ST. They are Md/Del/N.J./Penna East & West.
Any further questions don't hesitate to call me at 717-362-9494
Glenda Pae ------------- Any questions please feel free to call me at 717-362-9494. Yours in Swimming.... Glenda Pae |
Posted By: amomof2kidz
Date Posted: Apr/28/2007 at 7:56pm
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So Glenda - can you please clarify for swimmers in the groups you mentioned that will remain with the December 1st age-up date. The kids will swim Y States with the December 1st age, but will not be eligible for records or T16 if they aged up in between. Is that correct? ------------- Karen |
Posted By: Glenda Pae
Date Posted: May/04/2007 at 12:58pm
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Hi Sean,
Our YMCA State/local/ records will not change. It is only the National Age Group records that must comply with the age you are the day of the meet.
Glenda ------------- Any questions please feel free to call me at 717-362-9494. Yours in Swimming.... Glenda Pae |
Posted By: Glenda Pae
Date Posted: May/18/2007 at 1:54pm
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Hi Sean,
Do you understand the rule about December 1st..
 Glenda ------------- Any questions please feel free to call me at 717-362-9494. Yours in Swimming.... Glenda Pae |
Posted By: amomof2kidz
Date Posted: May/18/2007 at 2:16pm
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Hi Glenda - we understand the rule. However, that poses a new question. Will the existing records be updated to reflect the swimmers true age at the time of the meet? Eg. If a swimmer was 15 at Y States in previous years, and holds the 13-14 record because of the December 1st rule, will that record be eliminated and passed down to the best 14 year old swimmer at the time? Otherwise, you can never really compare apples to apples. And the upcoming swimmers are at an extreme disadvantage in that respect. Or will you be starting a new set of records? Thanks. ------------- Karen |
Posted By: Glenda Pae
Date Posted: Jul/12/2007 at 1:41pm
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We are not making any changes to our records. We are not changeing our Cut off date. We will continue to swim with the December 1st cutoff .This only effects National Records. NOTHING to do with our District and State records. In order to set National records you must swim the age you are. That is the only difference. Glenda ------------- Any questions please feel free to call me at 717-362-9494. Yours in Swimming.... Glenda Pae |
Posted By: blmjj5
Date Posted: Oct/14/2008 at 10:36pm
| why not change the date to August 1 to go along with the school year. As it is you have for example 1/4 of 3rd graders born betweed Aug and Dec swimming against 4th and 5th graders. Then when these children finally reach high school they will be competing against different ages. Why not have an Aug 1st cut off. This would put most all 2nd and 3rd together 4th 5th, 6th and 7th and so on. The childrens grades for the most part would be competing with their respected grades instead of two grades up or two grades down. You have swimmers born in late Nov swimming at 9 and 10 for two months while they are still 8. This makes no sense. 1/4 the sesion a child spends swimming at an age they have not yet reached. It needs to be changed. |
Posted By: Glenda Pae
Date Posted: Feb/02/2009 at 7:05pm
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We do not go by grades. We go be the age rule.
Gleda ------------- Any questions please feel free to call me at 717-362-9494. Yours in Swimming.... Glenda Pae |
Posted By: swimfan247
Date Posted: Mar/09/2009 at 1:49pm
So, I guess as advanced as the East Coast is it's still hanging on to an outdated rule, which can be as bad as it's good. Good in that it allows swimmers to have records when they are months older than many of their contemporary swimmers. Bad in that records are broken and times are posted, especially in relays that will never count in their, club, state or the YMCA top sixteen, because of an antiquated rule. So, may I ask what the reasoning is behind retaining this?  Whoops, I meant the top 10.......
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Posted By: Ed Miller
Date Posted: Jun/26/2009 at 6:45pm
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Swimfan 247, the rules for the individual leagues are set by the coaches' committees for those leagues. You should address your concerns to your coach and have him/her take it up with the local league coaches' committee. Ultimately, whatever practice the coaches for the local league decide is what the league will follow.
Ed Miller
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Posted By: swimfan247
Date Posted: Jun/26/2009 at 7:30pm
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Ed, it is an antiquated rule and harks back to the time before computers when coaches had issues with keeping track of all their swimmers ages. It creates more confusion for everyone and worst of all swimmers. It should be done away with. USA swimming's rules states age of the begining of a meet and I thought we were driven by USA rules?? Oh, but I guess that is only when we want them to. Rules should be the same across the board, especially when it comes to YMCA's across the country and really in the entire swim community period. I have and will certainly continue to express my concerns over this to our coaches, but the National YMCA Committee should just globally change it.
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Posted By: Glenda Pae
Date Posted: Jun/26/2009 at 8:34pm
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What team are you with..I am trying to place the face with the messages. I am going to guess Sunbury.
Please understand that this estabished rule helps YMCA develop there age group programs. It is very difficult to change age in an age group program.in the middle of the season. I will present your case to the National Committee in September and get back to you.
Glenda Pae ------------- Any questions please feel free to call me at 717-362-9494. Yours in Swimming.... Glenda Pae |
Posted By: Glenda Pae
Date Posted: Jun/26/2009 at 8:40pm
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Get me your contact number so we can talk.
Glenda ------------- Any questions please feel free to call me at 717-362-9494. Yours in Swimming.... Glenda Pae |
Posted By: swimfan247
Date Posted: Jul/24/2009 at 10:48am
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I am not with Sunbury, but I really don't grasp how an age up rule that benefits some swimmers, while it disparages others and confuses most has anything to do with developing age group programs. I guess USA teams don't have age group programs? I do appreciate the fact that this forum has actually developed into one and thank you and the other moderators for the responses and continuing dialogue.
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